1 00:00:00,563 --> 00:00:01,265 Can 2 00:00:01,273 --> 00:00:01,867 we 3 00:00:01,883 --> 00:00:02,414 understand 4 00:00:02,438 --> 00:00:03,070 each other? 5 00:00:03,086 --> 00:00:05,359 I don’t think people can understand me. 6 00:00:05,367 --> 00:00:09,130 Last year I wanted to fly to Turkey 7 00:00:09,342 --> 00:00:10,904 to visit my father, 8 00:00:11,553 --> 00:00:12,888 who was sick. 9 00:00:13,334 --> 00:00:18,935 I tried twice to get a visa 10 00:00:19,225 --> 00:00:23,591 but I couldn't get one because I’m a refugee. 11 00:00:24,786 --> 00:00:27,755 My father died 12 00:00:30,823 --> 00:00:34,791 and I didn't get a chance to see him again. 13 00:00:35,284 --> 00:00:36,377 Can you understand that? 14 00:00:37,287 --> 00:00:39,380 I can't really understand that 15 00:00:39,388 --> 00:00:43,365 because I was recently in New Zealand 16 00:00:43,373 --> 00:00:44,709 visiting my father 17 00:00:44,709 --> 00:00:47,349 and I can visit him whenever I want, 18 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:49,240 including when he’s sick. 19 00:00:51,873 --> 00:00:53,575 Can you understand that? 20 00:00:53,592 --> 00:00:56,373 Yes, I can understand Sif. 21 00:00:56,373 --> 00:00:59,107 What he experienced. 22 00:01:00,224 --> 00:01:01,732 When I was in Syria, 23 00:01:03,271 --> 00:01:09,005 I saw on television how many cities were destroyed. 24 00:01:09,576 --> 00:01:11,935 I couldn't believe that 25 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:17,310 until I went to Lebanon. 26 00:01:17,576 --> 00:01:18,552 On the way, 27 00:01:18,568 --> 00:01:23,124 I travelled through Aleppo and Homs and Damascus. 28 00:01:23,131 --> 00:01:26,685 That's when I saw the cities. 29 00:01:26,709 --> 00:01:29,419 They were like ghost towns. 30 00:01:29,943 --> 00:01:32,716 The places I had seen before 31 00:01:32,748 --> 00:01:35,458 and then in the war, 32 00:01:35,708 --> 00:01:36,997 they were completely different. 33 00:01:37,045 --> 00:01:40,349 I felt afraid in that place. 34 00:01:42,342 --> 00:01:44,544 You couldn’t imagine 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,349 that people had ever lived here. 36 00:01:50,050 --> 00:01:50,964 I think 37 00:01:51,230 --> 00:01:52,511 to understand something, 38 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:57,732 you have to experience it yourself. 39 00:01:59,544 --> 00:02:02,575 I believe I can understand it, 40 00:02:02,701 --> 00:02:05,685 but I can't fully appreciate it 41 00:02:05,710 --> 00:02:07,435 because I haven’t experienced it myself. 42 00:02:09,303 --> 00:02:10,482 But I think 43 00:02:11,162 --> 00:02:14,950 in order to understand it, 44 00:02:14,967 --> 00:02:16,458 it’s important to talk to people 45 00:02:16,865 --> 00:02:18,286 who’ve experienced it, 46 00:02:19,209 --> 00:02:21,888 and I think people 47 00:02:21,904 --> 00:02:28,271 who aren’t willing to engage with refugees 48 00:02:28,533 --> 00:02:30,693 will never be able to understand them. 49 00:02:31,849 --> 00:02:32,380 Can 50 00:02:32,813 --> 00:02:33,179 you 51 00:02:33,359 --> 00:02:33,937 understand 52 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:35,015 us?